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If it is high qualifications that make doctors hypocrites, it is always better to have doctors with low qualifications.
Wimal Dissanayake
Wimal Dissanayake What a nonsense!! 🧐
Pradeep Kumarasinghe
Pradeep Kumarasinghe People will get the doctors they deserve!
Priyanjith Perera
Priyanjith Perera I really dont understand the meaning of this post. Mahanama Gunasekara can you explain to us please ?
Pradeep Kumarasinghe
Pradeep Kumarasinghe Yes , Unless they refer to untrained SAITM doctors!
P Senarath Yapa
P Senarath Yapa Pradeep Kumarasinghe, Yes, but I think not limited to it alone!😁
Pradeep Kumarasinghe
Pradeep Kumarasinghe Certainly. We should always see what is wrong and not who is wrong.
Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara Priyanjith Having a doctor with high qualifications is the best. But if they are hypocrites it is better to have one with lower qualifications but not a hypocrite.
Priyanjith Perera
Priyanjith Perera They all are pure and simple assumptions arn’t they? Who says that the doctors with high qualifications are hypocrites|? Even if they are who says that their being hypocries is due to them having high qualifications? Do we have any evidence for these statements? And moreover, are we sure that the doctors with low qualifications are not hypocrites? And on the other hand, why can’t a hypocrite be a ‘good doctor’? So many questions Machan 🙂 🙂
Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara Priyanjith I totally agree that this assumption is erroneous and in spite of the writers good language skills, writing here is poor and meaningless.
But the hidden idea is clear. ” People value care more than the qualifications of a doctor.
Damith Subasinghe
Damith Subasinghe High qualifications does not mean you are a good doctor. The training process, experience and the available tools make the greatest doctors. That is seen in many universities where there are reaserch professors with very narrow knowledge, but high in qualifications. On the other hand there are clinical professors with great patient experience. You decide! Many PhD’s are useless.
Pramodh Chandrasinghe
Pramodh Chandrasinghe It’s not the qualification – it’s the person in them that creates the hypocrite. We don’t focus enough on the ‘person’ during the ‘making of a doctor’.
They end up being a representative fraction of the society that they come from.
Damith Subasinghe
Damith Subasinghe Pramodh Chandrasinghe a study in the UK showed, 60% of Dental Students went to the profession for the illusion of getting rich! Medicine is not that far. Money drives people in strange ways. Sri Lanka is great example when it comes to doctors. No regulations. My father got medicine from a local doc, no indication of what the tablets were. Strange!
Mahesh Nirmalan
Mahesh Nirmalan We need decent human beings with common sense and are sensitive to the needs and expectations of those around them….. qualifications are neither here nor there.
Mohan Dias

Mohan Dias The crucial word in this sentence is *IF*.

As we know, hypocrisy is *not* proportionate to qualifications. Therefore the rest of the statement does not hold any water.

I have a vague memory of arguing with the gentleman who’s the oroginal author of this little bit of ‘wisdom’ some time ago, and I remember him to be particularly resistant to facts to the point of being dense. I’m sure this is one of his arguments to justify SAITM.

Therefore, although the statement *looks* as if it makes sense, I’d take it with a large pinch of salt 😊

Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara Yes Mohan you are absolutely correct.
P Senarath Yapa

P Senarath Yapa As the original creator of the post I would like to make a small contribution to this discussion.

In my view, if you take it in the pure sense of an argument, in principle, it has no any short comings than in any other perfect argument.

Even assumption(s)/premise(s) being untrue doesn’t make an argument wrong.

There could exist correct arguments begin from incorrect premises, and such an argument also is technically called a ‘valid argument’.

However, it is true that such an argument isn’t ‘sound’. But, technically, an argument to be correct, it isn’t necessary to be ‘sound’.

I will give a small example.

Consider the sentence,
‘If I were a bird, I would fly away.’

Really, I will never be a bird, as I am a human, however, despite that hard fact, the sentence remains technically (grammatically) correct.

If we turn our attention to the post now, in the same vein, even if doctors are not hypocrites at all, still the argument could remain valid and correct.

However, it is my belief that most probably the argument, even in its purest form, is not only valid but also sound.🤔

Thanks.

Priyanjith Perera
Priyanjith Perera P Senarath Yapa if this is an argument it is not complete. You have given only one premise of the syllogism.
P1: If it is high qualifications that make doctors hypocrites, it is always better to have doctors with low qualifications (If P then Q)
P2. It is high qualifications that make doctors hypocrites. (P)
C: It is always better to have doctors with low qualifications. (Q).
Yes. this is a ‘valid’ argument but not a ‘sound’ argument as the truthfulness of the second premise (P2) has not been established.
P Senarath Yapa

P Senarath Yapa Priyanjith Perera ,

The second premise in here is implicit.

It is: ” Non hypocrites are always better than hypocrites.”

Now look at the argument again please.

Priyanjith Perera
Priyanjith Perera P Senarath Yapa then you should delete ‘if’ from premise 1. And change it little bit.
P1. It is high…..doctors hypocrites.
P2.non-hypocrites ..better..hypocrites .
C: It is better to have……..
Still truth value of premise 1 is questionable .
P Senarath Yapa

P Senarath Yapa Priyanjith Perera , Truth value of a premise isn’t a necessary thing an argument to be correct, and also it to be valid, I discussed this in my previous comments.

Truth value becomes necessary when determining whether the argument is ‘sound’.

Further, an argument itself can not determine the truth value of its premise(s).

So, it is natural and obvious that the truth value of the 1st premise has not been established yet, as we haven’t taken the argument beyond an argument and haven’t tackled it for that purpose. We really need to look at it from another perspective if we want to try to establish its truth value.

I feel it is possible to do it, so that this argument becomes ‘sound’.

Don’t you think so?

On the other hand, do you think existence of ‘If’ in the 1st premise is a barrier it to become a ‘genuine premise’?

Priyanjith Perera
Priyanjith Perera P Senarath Yapa Yes agree. No it is not a barrier. It is an acceptable premise. (see Modus Ponens).
P Senarath Yapa

P Senarath Yapa Priyanjith Perera , Really ‘If’ at the beginning of the 1st premise of my argument makes it more general (universal). It implies both the possibilities; i).If the premise is true, the conclusion is true and the argumentis sound. ii). On the other hand if it is untrue, it says that conclusion also is untrue and the argument isn’t sound too.

So, really, “If” further strengthens my argument.

So, I think none can deny the fact that I have established a very correct and valid argument, as I said at the beginning, which has no short comings than in any other perfect argument. As I said in another tone, in its purest form it is a correct and a valid argument.

So, now do you think ground has already been prepared and ready for our next step to

Benitta Stephen
Benitta Stephen Does it matter whether the Dr has a higher or lower qualification? He qualifies tobe a hypocrit Higher qualification pushes his ego up and makes it harder for him not to be a simple human But the root cause is not higher quslification that should make him genuine and humble . Evren with MBBS hypocrits exist …. So the Ego he /she cultivates along the way blinds them to the truth that the personality has changed and rejects correction because no one stands up agsinst him
Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara You are absolutely correct madam. That’s what I am trying to hilight. It’s time for us to correct ourselves. Our professional standards are very high in many aspects. It’s high time to get few things right which has been overlooked for many years.
Wimal Dissanayake
Wimal Dissanayake Mahanama Gunasekara, this is very simple, First docs should know how to respect the fellow human beings irrespective their social status. Second docs should treat their patients as you treat your family members. Third always respect and protect the life. This will make a good doctor
P Senarath Yapa
P Senarath Yapa Wimal Dissanayake , Do you think it is simple as that to practice/implement as well?
Pradeep Kumarasinghe
Pradeep Kumarasinghe Is this post in anyway connected to the SAITM students who did not undergo training in key areas but granted SLMC recognition from a court order?
P Senarath Yapa
P Senarath Yapa Pradeep Kumarasinghe , I think you are right in your guess, with regard to SAITM issue and doctors (and students) claimed to have high qualifications, to oppose SAITM counterparts!
Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara What about doctor’s skills?
If it is the highly skilled doctor who is a hypocrite, is it always better to go to the low skilled doctor?
Over to you P P Senarath Yapa.
P Senarath Yapa

P Senarath Yapa Mahanama Gunasekara , I think it is also logical to think so (though it doesn’t really affect you personally, Dr.Mahanama Gunasekara)!😁

I think I can explain and justify if you think it is necessary!😁

P Senarath Yapa

P Senarath Yapa Mahanama Gunasekara , Just look at your first interpretation to my post (excellent version on the post on my wall) and replace the term ‘high qualifications’ with ‘high skills” and see whether it makes any difference to the conclusion you get of that ‘piece of Deductive Logic’.

It is a DIY activity.

Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara I totally agree. PSY. Hypocrisy is a weakness which can never be promoted. As a nation we have inherited these poor qualities. It is better to discuss and correct ourselves so that we can be proud as a nation.
P Senarath Yapa
P Senarath Yapa Mahanama Gunasekara , Thanks for exposing my post to a wider audience for discussion and also your contribution in discussing it. Above all always I appreciate your ability to think objectively even against your own interests. Only a very few among many possess that quality.

I also should mention, Priyanjith Perera ‘s subtle capability to address something to the very point and also his respect to the truth. Many in debates/ discussions do not like to accept the opposition’s merits even it is proven. That is the main reason why I love to discuss things with both of you and with my earlier friend ASLT.

The contribution of other friends of yours also is highly appreciated.

Thanks!

Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara P Senarath Yapa in this day and age where knowledge is cheap and abandoned, few things will decide the outcome in my field as a surgeon.
It’s the wisdom to make a decision, courage to implement , willingness to proceed, skills to perform and empathy.
All others are external material things out of my control.
Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara Since this argument came up I must clarify my view.
Doctor’s qualifications must be appropriate niether high nor low. It’s a licence practice. It’s different to qualifications of a theorist.
Patient’s clinical out come depends on the doctor’s wisdom, experience on the condition being treated and the skills. Qualifications matter very little in this situation.
However patient’s satisfaction depends on the doctor’s empathy.
Needless to say that empathy alone has very little impact on the cure.
On the other hand all illnesses are not curable. Everyone ultimately end up in death. Here only the empathy matters. Medicine and qualifications has very little impact on making end of life a better experience.
If the doctor is unable to play this dual role he / she has failed in one’s duty.
P Senarath Yapa
P Senarath Yapa Mahanama Gunasekara , I think this comment of yours is a lesson/good message to all the doctors in the country.
Mahanama Gunasekara
Mahanama Gunasekara P Senarath Yapa in this day and age where knowledge is cheap and abandoned, few things will decide the outcome in my field as a surgeon.
It’s the wisdom to make a decision, courage to implement , willingness to proceed, skills to perform and empathy.
All others are external material things out of my control.
Pradeep Kumarasinghe
Pradeep Kumarasinghe Mahanama Gunasekara, your comments are correct because of 1. Medicine is an art as well as a science . In fact it was an art before it became a science.
2. Even the science is biology and its behavior is to certain level unpredictable with a range. Unlike the velocity of light in a given medium is always constant in physics, biology does not behave like this. Therefore there is always space for quacks in medicine.
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